via Ian’s Brain.
Creationists love quoting the laws of thermodynamics at us. Glad to see it being thrown back at them.
That’s something that I need to look into a bit more. I am a bit weak on some science , physics I’m real weak at. Of course when you argue with a creationist there’s no reason to give them science anyway , they just dismiss anything you say about it. However if anyone knows a good site to explain the principles or how to refute it to a christian , please post.
Using science, truth, and logic with any theist is useless. They long ago rejected all of those so they could continue to accept their delusions.
Debating them is also pointless. You cannot reason someone away from a position that they did not reach through reasoning.
Most of the problems of the world are, and always have been, caused by religion. For example, Northern Ireland, the Middle East, 9/11, and family planning clinic bombing in the USA. Then there were the crusades, the inquisition, witch burnings, and the dark ages. Get the idea?
Humanity will never truly be free until the black yoke of religion is lifted by the clear light of truth and rational thinking.
James said: “Debating them is also pointless. You cannot reason someone away from a position that they did not reach through reasoning. ”
This is not necessarily true. There are lot of us out there who were once Fundies, but who came to our true senses via reason and debate. We were no less intelligent as Fundies, just ignorant, deluded and emotionally attached to our religious beliefs.
Of course, it takes time to lose beliefs that have become part of one’s self image. It does not generally happen in one debate or by reading one book. It also takes challengers who behave like good teachers and know how to make us feel comfortable enough to think through issues that are personally disturbing and threatening.
The worst thing an atheist can do to a religious person, especially the young, is to imply that they are stupid, lying and incapable of logical thought. All of these things may be true, especially for older entrenched believers, but a person should be given the benefit of the doubt for as long as possible.
Until proved otherwise, a theist should be presumed to be intelligent, misinformed, inadequately or restrictively educated, inexperienced and probably emotionally and socially attached to their current unexamined beliefs.
Reserve ridicule for teenagers, and those of older years who behave like them, whose ignorance is so great that they think they know everything. Use it on the mature believer who is so convinced of their infallible ability to determine the mind of their particular version of the divine (except when they choose to argue that this mind is unknowable!) that no logic can touch them.
“You cannot reason someone away from a position that they did not reach through reasoning.”
Hi James. I must agree with Rosita.. this statement is untrue.
Not bad. My favorite atheist shirts though are at Aristotle’s Muse…
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